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Wealth has never yet sacrificed itself on the altar of patriotism.
-Bob LaFollette, congressman, senator, governor (1855-1925)


(note: In this case, let's define "patriotic" as "love of and/or devotion to one's country.")

Everything else being equal, which would you rather be?

Wealthy
12(80.0%)
Patriotic
3(20.0%)

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elyse
Nov. 24th, 2008 02:26 pm (UTC)
My sense of "patriotism" is frequently compromised - therefore, money it is! :D
sillyliss
Nov. 24th, 2008 02:33 pm (UTC)
I feel weak.
anterastilis
Nov. 24th, 2008 02:45 pm (UTC)
Eh, I'd rather be confident in my ability to support myself than in my country to support me. And I don't necessarily mean in a financial sense...I mean that in a my-own-two-feet sense.
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tenthz
Nov. 24th, 2008 02:49 pm (UTC)
Good use of icon-age. :-)
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zebulen
Nov. 24th, 2008 02:53 pm (UTC)
I think he was speaking more to corporate wealth -- the business interests that profit from activities and situations that harm the general population. Anyhoo, corporations owe a larger and more complex "patriotic" debt to society than individuals do.

Edited at 2008-11-24 03:08 pm (UTC)
tenthz
Nov. 24th, 2008 05:04 pm (UTC)
The poll is only loosely related to the quote. :-) More like inspired by the quote.
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malaria
Nov. 24th, 2008 04:15 pm (UTC)
Certain things are more important than money, IMO. It's been very stylish to 'hate' America for the last eight years because so many people didn't like our President, but to me, a country is made up of more than its leaders. Unfortunately, it seems like a lot of people lose sight of that when they don't like who's in charge.

*shrugs*
tenthz
Nov. 24th, 2008 05:04 pm (UTC)
Here, here!
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mountainheather
Nov. 24th, 2008 04:50 pm (UTC)
I'm not sure I could chose because the contrast doesn't work. Maybe I don't understand the quote?

Remember that game, 'what thing is most unlike something else'. Patriotism and wealth have nothing to do with each other in my head.
tenthz
Nov. 24th, 2008 08:41 pm (UTC)
The quote and the poll are only slightly related.
chinchillama
Nov. 24th, 2008 06:08 pm (UTC)
Having now lived abroad for over 3 years I'm all about the money as my love of country is pretty flexible.
mountainheather
Nov. 24th, 2008 06:27 pm (UTC)
Just a note to say, beautiful icon. Cornucopia's are so pretty. :)
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memeslayer
Nov. 24th, 2008 07:04 pm (UTC)
I would rather be devoted to people and ideas than political arrangements.
tenthz
Nov. 24th, 2008 08:42 pm (UTC)
I guess then we need to define "country"!
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quilynn
Nov. 25th, 2008 01:25 am (UTC)
My first impulse was to say "wealthy," but then I realized that was because I was caught up on the word "patriotic," which is a word I associate with people waving flags and shouting things I don't agree with.

If I step away from the raw semantics of it, what is being asked here is which I am more attached to: money, or a sense of belonging to a place or a people. When faced with a question of loyalty or riches, I would like to think I'd choose loyalty. However, it is not as simple as saying, "Would I sell out my country for money?" You must also look at the flip side, "Would I give up my wealth for my country?"

To the first question, I cannot think of an instance where I would let someone pay me to do something I believed would endanger my country. While I do not consider myself a patriot or a lover of my country, I do have a few glimmers of hope for it and the main reason I've had anti-American leanings at times is that I think, as a country, we aren't living up to our potential and I am disappointed in our lack of adherence to the ideals we were told we had in grade school. This sense of disappointment or disillusionment is not the same as dislike for my country, and it is unlikely I would do anything to endanger America no matter how good the money was. If not to the country itself, my loyalty would be to the people who live here.

However, aside from a grumbling handing over of funds to the government with each purchase and each year in April and again in July in the form of taxes, I doubt I would give up my wealth for my country. When I say that, I don't mean a few dollars here and there or a percentage of my paycheck, I mean handing over your wealth in the Biblical sense, where you give up everything you have. If there were a war on American soil and the government needed resources that I had, I am not sure if I would be glad to surrender those resources, but I would do it. If the American government turned corrupt and was becoming tyrranical, and the effort to bring back freedom and democracy needed my help and I would likely loose everything by doing helping, I probably wouldn't be brave enough to let my worldly possessions slip away in order to fight for a better world, but I would wish I was, and in the right circumstances, I might.

This is why I chose patriotism over wealth. Patriotism is the higher call, the ideal road... as long as you can get past the semantics.
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