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Surprise!

--EDIT: I want opinions, please! --

So, I was chatting with mountainheather and Mike on AIM this afternoon when I got a very shocking e-mail. From IBM. It was a job offer. It still is a job offer. What I mean to say is, I now have 2 job offers for summer/fall co-ops. This of course, is AWFUL. Now, I must make an actual decision based on stuff. I've got a pros/cons thing going on:

Pros:
Lucent:
-- Familiar Environment
-- no need for room or board
-- Familiar co-workers
-- Salaried pay
-- New technologies
-- Close to family, friends, and beach. :-)
-- More responsibilities

Cons:
Lucent:
$17.25/hour
less technical environment

Pros:
IBM:
-- New Environment
-- New Co-workers
-- more technical position
-- $21.75/hour
-- 5 paid sick days and time-and-a-half overtime
-- stable company

Cons:
IBM:
-- EXTREME Distance
-- Must pay for room/board
-- possible apartment issues
-- pay-per-hour
-- possible inadequate background (If we don't get to Perl in class!!!)

Comments

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kalia_dahling
Mar. 29th, 2004 10:28 pm (UTC)
i dont think you should be listing 17.25 as a con. Thats pretty damned good for coop.
farandthefair
Mar. 29th, 2004 11:44 pm (UTC)
Honestly, considering you're not paying for room/board with Lucent, you're better off. That's just my opinion though.
tenthz
Mar. 30th, 2004 05:49 am (UTC)
Yes! I want opinions!
farandthefair
Mar. 30th, 2004 06:50 am (UTC)
damnit, my sentences never make any sense. I meant you're better off with Lucent, if you didn't get that from my post. >_
(Anonymous)
Mar. 30th, 2004 08:26 am (UTC)
hey, you asked for it.
Advice: you need to estimate how much it would cost you to live where the IBM job offer is and subtract that from the pay there. Then the pay from the two jobs would be directly comparable.

Opinion: Salaried isn't a pro. Usually better jobs are salaried, and that's where it got it's positive connotation from. If you salaried, you don't get paid when you're called to work extra hours.

Opinion: the whole point of the coop is new experiences and doing new things, so Lucent's familiarity is a con.

Advice: weigh the long term against the short term, if you just want to meet a graduation requirement, then a nearby beach is important. However if, for example, it's your dream to work at IBM you should consider working there even for minimum wage.

Advice: you don't necessarily need a class to learn Perl. It may be more difficult, or require time you don't have, but all the information you need can come from other places (hell you could probably go to the class even if don't get in).
(Anonymous)
Mar. 30th, 2004 08:26 am (UTC)
Re: hey, you asked for it.
- Tonic
tenthz
Mar. 30th, 2004 11:09 am (UTC)
Re: hey, you asked for it.
Salaried is a pro in this case, because I would be able to take Fridays when necessary. As my would-be supervisor said, "Family comes first."
mountainheather
Mar. 30th, 2004 11:47 am (UTC)
Re: hey, you asked for it.
just seconding the estimating how much you'd save on housing to make it more compareable... Also, do you know what you'd do for housing out there, do they provide it, or would that be more work on your part, searching..
lordxyyndragon
Mar. 30th, 2004 08:34 am (UTC)
Given the list of pros and cons, I'd personally choose lucent. Not paying room and board can be better than a $21.75/hr wage. Plus, there's nothing like having your friends and family around. The distance you're going to IBM will make you miss people :(
yoggie
Mar. 30th, 2004 12:16 pm (UTC)
Blurred opinion
I'd take Lucent. IBM has too many variables.
sajego
Mar. 30th, 2004 12:59 pm (UTC)
How important is the money versus the experience? Housing probably takes up 30% of your income when you're making co-op rates. Definitely find out more about those costs if you're worried about the money.

If you're not thinking about money, then consider IBM an adventure! I wish I'd gone to more different places on my co-ops. Because when else will you get the chance to work and live in a place short term like that?

Sometimes I wonder why I didn't go to school in colorado :) and I Really I wonder why I didn't try to find a co-op there.
memeslayer
Mar. 30th, 2004 03:39 pm (UTC)
I love the sound(look?) of my own voice. I'll go point by point.

Pros:
Lucent:
-- Familiar Environment


I'm not sure I'd call this a pro. Isn't one of the reasons you're on co-op to get a feel for what sort of directions you can take with your degree?

-- no need for room or board

Definite plus. Also eliminates the need to look for an apartment(although see below for the counterargument). Is this because you'd be living at home? That might not be so great as far as growth is concerned.

-- Familiar co-workers

I am of the opinion that it's better to work with as many people as possible. The better you get at dealing with people, the better you become at things like networking and dealing with people you don't like.

-- Salaried pay

If you sometimes work undertime, this is a pro. If you ever work overtime, it's not so clear.

-- New technologies

More fun, and good for your resume too.

-- Close to family, friends, and beach. :-)

A pro, but...

-- More responsibilities

Very good, if by "more" you mean "better".

Cons:
Lucent:
$17.25/hour


That's not a small amount. That's what third time engineering co-ops make at BorgWarner.

less technical environment

I'm not sure what you mean by "less technical".

Pros:
IBM:
-- New Environment


Different experiences are always nice.

-- New Co-workers

See above.

-- more technical position

Meaning more programming(ie, what you want to do)? That's a very big pro. If you have a specific type of job in mind, you should try for a co-op as close to that as possible.

-- $21.75/hour

Holy crap, that's a lot.

-- 5 paid sick days and time-and-a-half overtime

A nice perk.

-- stable company

As far as long-term job prospects go? If you want to work there, that's something to look for.

Cons:
IBM:
-- EXTREME Distance


Distance sucks until you get used to it, but you're only looking at six months. The time to decide whether you want to deal with distance is when you're looking for a permanent job, not a co-op. Being around friends and family is nice, but improving your prospects for the next ten years by trading off six months is not an opportunity many get.

-- Must pay for room/board

If you're making $21.75 an hour there's no way you can complain about room and board. That's an extra $800/month, which should be enough to pay your bills if you live moderately nicely.

-- possible apartment issues

What kind? If you've never done apartment searching before, it's something you should learn how to do sooner rather than later. Just start early -- not many places offer six month leases.

-- pay-per-hour

See above.

-- possible inadequate background (If we don't get to Perl in class!!!)

This is not a con. You're going to spend your whole career learning new things without the aid of a university. There's no reason not to get started now.


If you haven't noticed, I think you'd be better off at IBM. :) In your LJ posts you've made it sound like this is your dream job, but now it's almost like you're trying to talk yourself out of it. You've been given an opportunity to get ahead. Take it! At worst, you're six months closer to graduation with some new experiences under your belt. What do you have to lose?
tenthz
Mar. 30th, 2004 03:51 pm (UTC)
You are the best. :-D
tenthz
Mar. 30th, 2004 03:52 pm (UTC)
Just hope Mike doesn't get to mad at you. :-P
memeslayer
Mar. 30th, 2004 07:14 pm (UTC)
Me either. And I'm not exactly jumping with joy at the thought of you two being apart from each other. But like I said, a short term sacrifice for a large long-term gain is often a good idea. Of course, that's the same thinking that made me leave home and come to RIT, so take it with a grain of salt. :)

By the way, I don't think you ever mentioned where exactly the job was located.
tenthz
Mar. 30th, 2004 08:11 pm (UTC)
Rochester...... Minnesota. How about them apples? :-P
(Anonymous)
Mar. 31st, 2004 01:33 pm (UTC)
Decision, decision.
Your friend memeslayer has done a fab job analyzing your head! Re-read you own entries. You know what you should do, don't you?
Love, M
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