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How can a society that exists on instant mashed potatoes, packaged cake mixes, frozen dinners, and instant cameras teach patience to its young?
-Paul Sweeney

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lordxyyndragon
Mar. 27th, 2007 03:44 pm (UTC)
Waiting three minutes for a hot pocket to microwave is hard :(
singingmollusk
Mar. 27th, 2007 04:25 pm (UTC)
Ooooooooh... that IS a good one!!!
mountainheather
Mar. 27th, 2007 04:42 pm (UTC)
likewise...
How can a society that procreates to satisfy it's selfishness teach selflessness to its young?
tenthz
Mar. 27th, 2007 05:04 pm (UTC)
How exactly is procreating selfish?
mountainheather
Mar. 27th, 2007 05:30 pm (UTC)
Tell me how it is not. What reasons exist for having offspring that aren't ultimately self-serving?

Even if you say you are having children to please God because he says to "be fruitful... and multiply". Aren't you really pleasing God because pleasing God pleases you?

See my other post asking why people want/don't want kids and its comments . :)
lordxyyndragon
Mar. 27th, 2007 05:40 pm (UTC)
Having your own biological children is a selfish act in and of itself, yes, but it's also human nature and there's nothing wrong with doing it... It's like getting married, or wanting to make more money, or buying things for the purpose of fun rather than necessity.
mountainheather
Mar. 27th, 2007 06:19 pm (UTC)
True. But it makes me wonder what it is exactly that causes one of those things to be viewed as perfectly normal/non-questionable (getting married and having kids) versus something that often makes people skeptical of others (buying a lot of things for fun rather than practical reasons or wanting to have all the money you can get)?
tenthz
Mar. 27th, 2007 06:32 pm (UTC)
I think the reason behind what makes you want to raise a child is what would make it selfish or not.
mountainheather
Mar. 27th, 2007 06:37 pm (UTC)
I can understand that broad sense of reasoning.
But what *are* some of the reasons for wanting to raise one that make it non-selfish?
memeslayer
Mar. 27th, 2007 10:30 pm (UTC)
Heather, you're starting to sound like me. It's creeping me out. :-p

If you look at it a certain way, every action is self-serving -- including acting selfless.
mountainheather
Mar. 27th, 2007 11:14 pm (UTC)
hehe. That's exactly it. One of my latest conclusions. The whole world is built on 'selfshness'. It's impossible to escape it. It's human nature. But it means there's really no truth in anyone saying they're doing something for someone else when you get right down to it. ::shrug::

You'd like my other realization of late too. Atheism and Theism have the same ultimate guiding 'belief'. That either something came from nothing, or something was there all along. It's impossible for our minds to *really* conceive of either of those situations. But no matter where you're coming from, *one* of those had to be the case. Our brains can't conceive of any other real possibility. By the same notion, I discovered that I personally find it easier to believe that something has always been, than that at some point there was nothing. True nothingness is not something I can grasp. Meaning really atheism to me is harder to 'believe' than religiousness.
::shrug::
Sorry for the ramble. :-p
memeslayer
Mar. 28th, 2007 12:10 am (UTC)
True. Creatures that aren't ultimately acting for themselves probably wouldn't have evolved in the first place. But then, there's another level on which humans aren't acting "for" anything at all, right? If you get some weird chemical imbalance in your brain and, say, go berserk and start attacking people, you're not doing that for any particular reason -- your brain was just malfunctioning.

Atheism is the belief that there are no gods (or the lack of belief that there are gods, depending on who you ask -- there's a huge amount of debate over the tiny difference). Nothing else is implied. Personally, I think the concepts required to deal with where the universe came from probably can't be handled by human brains. But other atheists might disagree. I agree with you that it's easier to believe that something was always there, though.

(You don't have to apologize for writing more than three sentences in an LJ comment, silly. :-p Length is not evil.)
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